陈牧:今北平未下,寡人欲屠之以威齐国,可乎?先生以为如何?
萧凡:臣以为不可,燕降三日,吏人从服,孩儿老母,口以万数,一旦放兵纵火,闻之可为酸鼻,大王以仁义定天下,何忍行此?仰视天,俯视地,不愧于心哉?良失吊民伐罪之义也,窃为大王所不取也。
陈牧:先生之言是也,寡人知过矣。
chenmu:today,peipinghasnotbeenconquered,iwanttoslaughterthecitytodeterthestateofqi,whatdoessirthink?
xiaofan:iamnotinfavorofdoingso,officialsandcivilianshavesurrendered,oncethecityissetonfire,itisverycruel,youtaketheworldwithbenevolenceandrighteousness,howcanyoubearit,thisisnotwhatarighteouskingshoulddo,idon‘trecommendyoudothat。
chenmu:sirisright,iwaswrong
陈牧:今世乱纷扰,茂才良莠不齐,寡人欲废科举,取士于氏族,可乎?先生以为如何?
萧凡:臣以为不可,古者,德义可尊,无择负贩,苟非其人,何取世族,名公子孙,布衣之伍,本无华素之隔,有晋以来,其流稍改,草泽奇士,犹显清途,降及季年,专限阀阅,自是三公之子,傲九棘之家,黄散之孙,蔑令长之室,转相骄矜,互争铢两,唯论门户,不问贤能,至于末年天下大乱,非必不由此也,取士以德,以才,以量,何分世家寒门,但以阀阅取士,太祖高皇帝何犹而起也?
陈牧:先生之言是也,寡人知过矣。
chenmu:nowtheworldischaotic,andthetalentisuneven,iwanttoabolishtheexaminationsystemandselecttalentsfromamongthenobility,sirwhatdoyouthink?
xiaofan:idon‘tthinkso,inancienttimes,talentswereselected,notlookingatthecolddoorandthenobility,aslongastherewasvirtueandtalent,theywereused,later,theybegantoselecttalentsfromamongthenobility,eveniftheywereincompetent,thisledtothearroganceandrudenessofthenobles,intheend,theworldwasinchaos,it‘spossiblethatthisisthecause,theselectionoftalentsdependsonvirtueandabilityandmind,whydividethecolddoorandthenobility,ifyoureallydothis,thenhowdidtheoldemperorstarthisfamily?
chenmu:sirisright,iwaswrong
陈牧:今迁都已久,寡人欲起太华殿,以固朝廷,可乎?先生以为如何?
萧凡:臣以为,太祖始建都邑,其所营立,必因农隙,况建国已久,永安前殿足以朝会,西堂、温室足以宴息,紫楼足以临望,纵有修广,亦宜驯致,不可仓促,今计所当役凡二万人,老弱供饷,又当倍之,期半年可毕,一夫不耕,或受之饥,况四万人之劳费,可胜道乎!愿大王所宜留心也。
陈牧:先生之言是也,寡人谨受教。
chenmu:ithasbeenalongtimesincethecapitalwasmoved,iwanttobuildapalacetoconsolidatethegovernment,sirwhatdoyouthink?
xiaofan:ithink,whenfarmingwascompleted,theoldemperorwouldbuildthecapital,moreover,thecountryhasbeenestablishedforalongtime,andtheinfrastructurehasbeencompleted,meetings,rest,andsightseeingcanbecateredfor,evenifyouwanttoplananexpansion,youcan‘tdoittooquickly,thisprojectrequiresmorethan20,000people,andthefinancialexpenditureisevengreater,theconstructionperiodisatleasthalfayear,ifagriculturalproductionisdelayedasaresult,manypeoplewillendurehunger,iwantyoutothinkcarefully。
chenmu:sirisright,irespectfullyacceptyourteachings。